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RTeks #91 Mar '14 Mejor Pezz

Nerf tf que te puede gankear desde el río pls.

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leo_messi19 #92 Mar '14

#90 de ahí que le bajen el casteo, yo lo veo justo, aunque como dije antes, bufaría el rango de ambos, y champ sigue estando muy fuerte en el countergank y contrajungla.

#91 al menos tf puedes ver cuando no esta en linea pero bueno...

Shincry #93 Mar '14

A este ritmo de nerfs quedará solo Cho'gath y llegará mi momento :>

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joseluvj #94 Mar '14

#93 no por favor, que no quede solo chogath, le caera un nerf y al baul mas profundo, mejor que sigan como estan (chogath esta de puta madre ahora XD)

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Ozonoo4 #95 Mar '14

Siempre mantengo la esperanza de que los cambios del PBE nunca lleguen al live... sino D.E.P. en paz, Pantheon.

PD: defuq? Lo de Renekton es reducirle "un poco" el early pero buffarle el lategame. Empiezo a pensar que el cocodrilo es favorito de algun directivo, no lo tocan desde... Seasson2? y si lo tocan son cosas como estas. Maineo a Renek y yo que me alegro, pero esto ya es un canteo.

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joseluvj #96 Mar '14

#95 renekton va a ser demasiado divertido como te feedees, el zoneo con ult+ capa de fuego solar (160 de daño por segundo aproximado) va a ser espectacular

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Ozonoo4 #97 Mar '14

#96 no tiene ningun sentido, antes "le quitamos el armor pen. de la E pero le damos un slow" aunque no cuajó y ahora "le quitamos 100, pero luego le damos 200" y con la Q fue lo mismo, "le quitamos algo de curacion pero cuando la maxeas (skill que maxeas) esta igual"

Luego tienes casos como:

Player - Uy que Rengar AD mete mucho.
Rito - Nope.
P - Uyba! Rengar AP tambien mete.
R - Nope...
P - Pues voy full tank.
R - NOPE!

Rework y vuelta a empezar.

O casos como , "sacamos BlacCleaver stackeable? np, nerf Talon" "No nos gusta la movilidad exagerada de Trynda y le nerfeamos la E" y luego sale Yasuo.

Suma y sigue.

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Nhilum #98 Mar '14 Inocente

Joder con rengar, no saben que hacerle ya. Es el champ que mas han cambiado en menos tiempo y sobre panth mira que no lo juego nunca y me duele solo de ver ese rango

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Andrecico #99 Mar '14

Acabo de leer por ahí atrás a un Renekfag llorando porque han nerfeado a su champ. Manda huevilliums.

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joseluvj #100 Mar '14

#99 donde? yo me estoy frotando las manos con ese ''supuesto'' nerf

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Andrecico #101 Mar '14

#100 El #65. Yo también, es que no es ni normal lo absurdamente fácil que es divear con éxito con esa ulti. Y yo le hubiese bajado más cositas en su early, y mira que no soy hater de rene.

RTeks #102 Mar '14 Mejor Pezz

Yo creo que lo mejor es subirle los costes de mana a renekton, asi no puede spamear tanto en early.

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markIN #103 Mar '14

aplaudimos a #102 y dejamos que se vaya ? xD es broma

cada vez me da mas pena ver como decae el juego xdd

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[Borrado] #104 Mar '14

#102 da igual, le haces morello y punto.

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keygy #105 Mar '14

#104 y zhonya

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Mkan #106 Mar '14

No que luego vendran los flanders a quejarse #104

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RTeks #107 Mar '14 Mejor Pezz

http://community.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-feedback/Nf8tRm1J-hopefully-45-gragas-rework-feedback-thread

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NOTE: GRAGAS’ SKINS WILL BE BROKEN WITH THE NEXT UPDATE, PLEASE PLAY HIM WITH HIS BASE SKIN
Hey Summoners,
Although Gragas in his inception was designed as an AP brawler mixing it up with the enemy, he has historically been played as a mid AP nuke/poker. While we were fine with this, the recent resurgence of Gragas as a top pick has brought to our attention the problems inherent in this playstyle. Gragas currently possesses strengths of long range burst, tankiness and disengage- carried by AP ratios on Q and R being so high that they will effectively two-shot you. This combination of strengths do not make much sense (why do you need tankiness if you are a sniper? Etc.) and are unhealthy for the game.
However, since Gragas was never designed as a sniper, he does not have enough tools he needs to be a valued pick if he is not two-shotting people. Therefore, just nerfing his current damage numbers will ‘Olaf’ him (his win rates are already super low for most players). When we looked at Gragas as a character, it made much more sense to retain the tankiness while hitting the long range burst damage and grant him the tools to succeed while being in the thick of the fight, rather than turn him into a fragile long range sniper, hence the rework. We are attempting to reposition Gragas as more of a bruiser/tank that better reflects the fantasy of being a large drunk dude who gives no @#$@s while ramming into people.
The direction of the important changes are below, along with the points of feedback (both playing as and against) I am mainly looking for!
Barrel Roll
Damage reduced, now slows Movement Speed instead of Attack Speed. Now deals more damage and slows for more as the barrel sits out.
This lowers his effectiveness as a poke mage (since no one will be standing in the barrel radius for any amount of time) and gives more incentive to ‘combo’ his spells to knock people into a barrel.
The coolest play Gragas makes is when he uses Explosive Cask to knock the enemy into a Barrel that has been sitting outside and we wanted to incentivize that. The new effect on Body Slam will also synergize with this ability.
Feedback Point
Do you feel that this ability gives enough payoff for hitting the charged barrel?
Is his prowess as a poke mage too strong for how much cc he brings?
Drunken Rage
Druken Rage will now have a much lower CD and duration, and grant a one time hit bonus instead of AD. Gragas can also move while drinking. No longer restores mana.
The current Drunken Rage is a very dull spell that is simply a chore to upkeep. There are almost no cases where Gragas engages without this buff and there is very sparse gameplay associated with the trigger or the effect.
The new iteration hopes to create a more windowed effect to his DR and damage so there is richer play and counterplay. Also a Gragas who is drinking more often is a more awesome Gragas.
Feedback Point
Does the spell grant appropriate defenses to allow Gragas to function in melee?
Is there a pronounced success/failure case when Gragas uses his W at the right time?
Body Slam
Body Slam now stuns and slightly knocks enemies back instead of slowing them.
We have moved some power from Barrel Roll to Body Slam to give him the tools be valuable without needing to deal tons of damage. Gragas should be able to function as a mid-teamfight brawler that acts like a brick wall for enemies trying to get past him and gum up the fight.
Feedback Point
Does the spell offer a good enough incentive for you to duke it out in melee?
Explosive Cask
Deals less damage.
Explosive Cask is already an awesome ability that requires mastery to use to full potential with amazing payoffs. However, currently it deals too much damage that dilutes its own strengths (You don’t care about where you knock the enemy if he just dies from the explosion).
We wanted the spell to be focused on its cool and unique strength – a huge radius ranged knockback.

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[Borrado] #108 Mar '14

No teneis ni idea, renek va con lyandri y rilay, CC en area con daño por % de vida y penetracion magica, pulsas R y luego S y te quedas mirando como mueren

Link34 #109 Mar '14

Galactic renekton best renekton y punto

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[Borrado] #110 Mar '14

Por que quieren hacer de gragas un bruiser? Ya hay muchos que necesitan ser bufados

KnowtheFear #111 Mar '14

La imagen de #36 de Pantheon es un cachondeo xDDDDD Vaya ulti jaja para que serviria eso? Si cuando lo uses ya te estan viendo xDDD

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keygy #112 Mar '14

ojo a los cambios de gragas, slow y stun junto a la R aunque le bajen el daño puede ser brutal como supp xD

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JJelCapo #113 Mar '14

#112
4.5 Rework a Gragas
4.6 Nerf Gragas support
4.7 Rework a Gragas

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keygy #114 Mar '14

#113 xDDD rito style

Discharge #115 Mar '14 :psyduck:

#111

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RTeks #116 Mar '14 Mejor Pezz

http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/27712-unofficial-pbe-patch-notes-for-3-22-2014-gragas

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All Champions (Except Gragas and Ziggs)
Base armor increased by 4 (as a supplementary for the upcoming rune changes)
Gragas
Base damage is now 59 (down from 59.155)
Base damage now scales with 3.5 per level (up from 3.375 per level)
Base movement speed is now 330 (down from 340)
Base magic resist is now 31.25 (up from 30)
Base magic resist now also has scaling: 1.25 per level
Happy Hour [ Passive ] - Now restores 4% of Gragas' maximum health (up from 2%)
Happy Hour [ Passive ] - Added to the tooltip: "This effect can only happen every 8 seconds." (replacing "...over 4 seconds.")
Barrel Roll [ Q ] - The cast now explodes after 4 seconds (down from 5 seconds)
Barrel Roll [ Q ] - Damage is now 80/120/160/200/240 (down from 85/135/185/235/285)
Barrel Roll [ Q ] - Damage now scales with 0.6AP (down from 0.9AP)
Barrel Roll [ Q ] - Now slows enemies' movement speed (changed from attack speed)
Barrel Roll [ Q ] - Slows enemies' movement speed by 30/35/40/45/50%
Barrel Roll [ Q ] - Duration of slow is now 2 seconds (down from 3)
Barrel Roll [ Q ] - Added to the tooltip: "The damage and slow increases as the cask ferments, up to 150% after 2 seconds."
Barrel Roll [ Q ] - Now costs 60/65/70/75/80 Mana (Down from 80/90/100/110/120 Mana)
Barrel Roll [ Q ] - Range is now 850 (down from 1000)
Drunken Rage [ W ] - Reduced damage taken now lasts for 3 seconds (down from 20 seconds)
Drunken Rage [ W ] - His next basic attack deals 20/50/80/110/140 (+0.3AP) plus 8/9/10/11/12 % of the target's maximum Health as bonus magic damage.
Drunken Rage [ W ] - Cooldown is now 8/7.5/7/6.5/6 Seconds (down from 25 seconds at all ranks)
Body Slam [ E ] - Now deals 80/130/180/230/280 damage (up from 80/120/160/200/240 damage)
Body Slam [ E ] - Damage now scales with 0.6AP (up from 0.5AP)
Body Slam [ E ] - Damage no longer scales with AD
Body Slam [ E ] - Now "bumps" enemies back
Body Slam [ E ] - Now stuns enemies for 1 second (instead of slowing them for 2.5 seconds)
Body Slam [ E ] - If Gragas collides with a unit, cooldown is reduced by 3 seconds (changed from 50%)
Body Slam [ E ] - Now costs 50 Mana (down from 75 mana)
Body Slam [ E ] - Cooldown is now 16/15/14/13/12 Seconds (up from 12 seconds at all ranks)
Explosive Cask [ R ] - Now deals 200/300/400 damage (down from 200/325/450)
Explosive Cask [ R ] - Damage now scales with 0.7AP (down from 0.9AP)
Ziggs
Base health is now 430 (down from 470)
Graves
Quickdraw [ E ] - Now costs 40 Mana (down from 50)
Collateral Damage [ R ] - The shell explosion now deals 250/350/450 damage (up from 140/250/360)
Heimerdinger
UPGRADE!!! [ R ] - H-28Q Apex Turret: Slow duration now specified as 2 seconds
Lulu
Whimsy [ W ] - On Ally cast: Movement speed granted now scales with 0.07AP (down from 0.1*AP)
Help, Pix! [ E ] - On Ally Cast: Pix aids the ally's attacks for 5 seconds (down from 6 seconds)
Help, Pix! [ E ] - On Ally Cast: Shield duration is now 5 seconds (down from 6 seconds)
Help, Pix! [ E ] - On Enemy Cast: Duration of vision granted is now 5 seconds (down from 6 seconds)
Rammus
Powerball [ Q ] - Now also knocks enemies back
Rengar
Savagery [ Q ] - Ferocity effect: Now not only damage, but Attack speed also scales with Rengar's level
Bola Strike [ E ] - Removed from the tooltip: "If the bola misses,Rengar is refunded 2 ferocity."
Item Changes
Aether Wisp
Now costs 950 (up from 800)
Bonetooth Necklace
UNIQUE Active - Bonetooth Totem: Cooldown is now 120 Seconds (up from 90 seconds)
Enchantment: Alacrity
UNIQUE Passive - Alacrity: Now grants 20 Movement Speed (up from 15)
Enchantment: Captain
UNIQUE Passive - Captain: Movement Speed granted is now 10% (up from 8%)
Enchantment: Distortion
UNIQUE Passive - Distortion: Teleport, Flash, and Ghost summoner spell cooldowns are now reduced by 20% (down from 25%)
UNIQUE Passive - Distortion now also grants additional mobility:
Ghost: Grants 40% Movement Speed from 27%.
Flash: 20% Movement Speed bonus for 1 second after cast.
Teleport: 30% Movement Speed bonus for 3 seconds after use.
Enchantment: Homeguard
UNIQUE Passive - Homeguard: Tooltip now says: "Visiting the shop vastly increases Health and Mana regeneration and grants 200% bonus Movement Speed that decays over 8 seconds.Bonus Movement Speed and Regeneration are disabled for 6 seconds upon dealing or taking damage."
Lich Bane
Now costs 3000 (up from 2900)

Primer nerf a lulu: nerfean la velocidad y ya no hay doble glitterlance con el grial.

eimdal #117 Mar '14

Quitando la fumada del ulti de Pantheon me estan gustando mucho los cambios que estan poniendo en estos 2 ultimos parches, a ver si empiezan a ponerse las pilas que llevaban unos meses que no daban ni una.