Thx blizz nerf rogues again

Tamy veo k tienes la suerte de haber encontrado una guild con gente y server donde vais Petados con tier2 y me imagino con los mejores items.
Los demás no tenemos esa suerte , será por no poder jugar con gente k tendrá tanto tiempo de juego o por llevar menos tiempo jugando.
Mi opinion ( ZG full , MC full, AQ20 full y BWL 4boss)
Los hunter si se ponen a hacer dps lo más seguro k deben hacer más k un rogue pero la pega k meteis muchos crit con el simple Autoshot y se suelen mover los mobs de un lado para otro , si vosotros los hunter teneis el FD ( con posible resist) y nosotros el Feint k podemos utilizar cada pocos segundo. De hay k los rogues de lo k llevo visto siempre estemos en el top 10 como dicen en mi caso de la guild k juego solemos estar siempre en el Top5 xD. Hablo de rogues combat con ekipos normalitos y rogues a dagas con una build 30/8/13 tambien suelen estar arriba en DPS.

Y una pequeña aclaración antes nuestro fabuloso Blade furry causaba daño a 3 targets nos lo jodieron a 2 no se por k razón , los nuevos talentos para mi humide opinión a los k seamos Combat con especialidad en espadas hablando mal y pronto nos la trae floja.

• En muchas guild k se inician en las instances altas los rogues su principal tarea es buscarse la vida por k eso de kurar a un rogue piensan k es un delito. Te tienes k arruinar pillando potis y si eres alchemy ponte a hacerte pot de vida y a pillar rabanos , etc vendas.
  Lo digo por k lo sufrí durante un tiempo.

uuuf normalmente suelen kedar primero en dps los rogues y algunos warriors de esos chetos xd, ten en cuenta k si eres rogue a backstab, con un ekipo buenecillo puedes tener 60% critico a backstab, mas los buffos y las pociones sumale, y metes backstab to el rato de 1xxx y cosas asi..

PD: en el inicio de las high end instances (por lo menos en spine cuando empezemos nosotros) los paladines soliamos curar a todo, y los druid y priest a los mt y tal (por lo tanto, a bajarse normalmente la vida a los rogues, los paladines tavamos casi to el rato curando a los rogues y aveces a los mt)

EvilDiox...

Tu conocimiento de hutners roza la incompetencia...

El intentar convencer de la estupidez de que el hunter sirve para mas que cosas en high-end que DPS... es erroneo...

Te pongas como te pongas...

Digas lo que digas...

Y hagas loq ue hagas...

Y si no fuera así... simplemente

Pq coño entonces el hunter no esta debajo del rogue en dps en boses largos?

no es a mi a quien tienes que desmentir... sino a blizzard que si fuera cierto lo que dices hoy por hoy el rogue haria más dps en high-end que el hunter...

Y eso no es cierto.

La diferencia entre tu y yo es que mi base es que Blizzard actualmente ha hecho el juego basado en que devemos tener un dps similar mientras tu hablas de un juego innexisten inventado en tus sueños en el que el rogue como solo hace dps deberia estar por encima de las demás clase en daño, incluido el hunter

Bien

Dicho juego no existe, el wow hoy por hoyno es así.

Comenzando por ahi, puedes estar en contra de lo que yo he dicho... eres libre de estar equivocado... Y puedes seguir en tu desconocimiento sobre el hunter...

<B>Pero eso seguirá sin cambiar que Blizzard hoy por hoy su en su juego, quiere que rogue y hunter hagan dps similar[/b], algo que yo te he dado razones para ello... Mientras tu intentas hablar sobre un juego imaginario donde como el rogue solo hace dps y el hunter no, deberia hacer más dps...

Comenazando por el hecho de que no es cierto... no se que tipo de conocimiento global del juego puedes tener cuando ni tan solo puedes decir las razones por las que Blizzard hoy por hoy en su juego es contraria a tus razones..

Piensalo bien... Blizzard lo ha hecho azul... yo te estoy diciendo pq es azul... mientras tu estas definiendo un rojo que blizzard NO LO HA HECHO ASI...

Disculpa reirme de tu MENTIRA sobre que no he dicho razones correctas...

Asi que sigue mintiendo ... Que el juego no lo hacemos ni tu ni yo... pero algo me dice que quien lo hace saba más que tu y que yo, y que con sus actos demuestra que no estoy equivocado...

PD: Si tanta rabia contenida (como la mayoria de los rogues tienen hacia los hunters) tienes... reroll, y te haces un hunter... cuando hagas high-end y lleves jugado con el hunter high-end loq ue llevas con el rogue veras como te enra la carcajada cuando te digan que haces más cosas aparte de dps...

Que hace un hunter y un rogue en cada boss una vez se está tankeando, osease que se hace por ambas clases DURANTE LA LUCHA
MC:
Trash mobs: (TODOS)
Hunter dps
Rogue dps
Lucifron
Hunter dps a los adds, depues al boss.
Rogues: Dps a los adds luego al boss.
Magmadar
Hunter: Dps mientras apretas apretas continuamente un parche obsoleto herencia de la inutilidad en high-end del hunter en el pasado. Llamado trankility shot.
Rogue: Dps.
Gehennas
Hunter: dps a los adds, dps al boss
Rogue: Dps a los adds, dps al boss
Garr
Hutner: dps a los adds, dps al boss
Rogue: dps a los adds, dps al boss
Shazzrah
Hunter: dps al boss
Rogue: dps al boss
Baron
Hunter: dps al boss
Rogue: dps al boss
Sulfuron
Hunter: dps a los adds, dps al boss
Rogue: dps a los adds, dps al boss
golemagg
Hunter: dps al boss
Rogue: dps al boss hasta el 10%
Mayordomo
Hunter: Dps a los adds, dps al boss
Rogue: dps a los adds, dps al boss.
Ragnaros
Hunter: dps al boss (y si no muere en fase 1) dps a los adds (song of flame) y dps al boss
Rogue: dps al boss (y si no mure en fase 1) dps a los adds (song of flame) y dps al boss

BWL:
Razorgore:
Fase1:
Hunter: Si no lo hacen los warriors, kitear dragones, si lo hacen los warriors dps a magos y guerreros.
Rogue: Si no lo hacen warlocks o magos, stun y cc a warriors y magos, y además dps a magos y warriors...
Fase2:
Hunter: Dps al boss
Rogue: Tirarle vendas a los healers... o arder vilmente a base de confraglate (daño mágico).
Vaelestraz
Hunter: Intentar hacer dps al boss con poco éxito.
Rogue: dps inhumano con energia infinita, sobretodo si eres de dagas.

Trash mobs: Dragonkings
Hunter: dps a cada dragonking
Rogue: dps a cada dragonking

Trash mobs 2: dragnocitos
Hunter: dps a cada dragonking
Rogue: Bajar trampas y dps a cada dragonking.

Broodlord
Hunter: dps al boss
Rogue: dps al boss

Trashmobs 3: Grupos de mobs
Hunter: Depende la guild o dps o kitear o a spellbinder o al death talon.
Rogue: Depende de la guild o dps o kitear y stunlockear al spellbinder. (fijaos que no pongo sap pq estoy poniendo que acciones se hacen DURANTE EL COMBATE no ANTES DEL COMBATE)

Firemaw
Hunter: dps al boss
Rogue: dps al boss

Trashmobs 4: 3 Death talons
Hunter: dps
Rgoue: dps

Ebonroc
Hunter: dps al boss
Rogue: dps al boss

Flamegor
Hunter: dps al boss y spamear el estupido parche herencia de la inutilidad antigua del hunter, named tranquility shot.
Rgoue: dps al boss.

Chromaggus
Hunter dps al boss y spamear el estupido parche herencia de la inutilidad antuga del hunter, named tranquility shot
Rogue: dps al boss

Nefarian:
Fase1:
Hunter: Dps a la masa y intentar coger aquellos que se marchen del area del warlock y retornarlos a la misma.
Rogue: Dps a la masa sin tener problemas si estos quitan mana o no y retornar aquellos que se escapen del aoe dle warlock agreandolos y llevandolos al area de nuevo.
Fase2:
Hunter: dps al boss (cambiandose de arco a cada llamada).
Rogue: dps al boss (obligando al tanke a moverse en llamada de rogue)

AQ40:
The Prophet Skeram
Hunter: dps al boss, luego a los adds, luego al boss... y mientras ayudar antes de que les hagan oveja a los que salgan con mindcontrol
Rogue: dps al boss, luego a los adds, luego al boss... y mientras ayudar antes de que les hagan oveja a los que salgan con mindcontrol. Además de estar en meelee que ayuda a que el mob, en el caso de que el tanke salga con mindcontrol aguantando al bicho muy temporalmente para que no dispare rallos a distancia que destroza a la raid...

Lord Kri
Hunter: dps a uno, luego al otro luego al otro...
Rogue: dps a uno luego al otro luego al otro y además recibir fear ward de priest enano y cortarle el cast del heal con el kick a la Vem.

Sarturas
Hunter: dps a cada add... dps al boss.
Rogue: dps a cada add... dps al boss y acumular bolitas para poder estunearlos y que entren todos los meelees ha hacer dps... tanto a los adds como al boss... Sin esto este boss seria tremendamente complicado.

Frankis
Hunter: dps al boss y dps a las serpientes cuanto sale...
Rogue: dps al boss y dps a las serpientes cuando salen... y stunear a las serpientes sobretodo si llegan a estar en enrage para que no destrozen la raid.

Huhuran
Hunter: dps al boss y spamear el estupido trankility shot...
Rogue: dps al boss y ser uno de los 15 tankes de nature que aguantan daño desde el 30% al 0%.

Emperors
Hunter: Dps al de daño físico y poner pack para que rogues y warriors lleguen antes en cada transición
Rogues: dps al de daño fisico.

....
....

Continuaré con C’thun y los 4 bichos de nax que conozco... que me tengo que ir... Pero como veis.. Una vez en combate las diferencias son tremendamente escasas entre ambos...

Pero vamos...

Los hunters somos SUPER UTILES aunque no hicieramos dps... Si quieres estar equivocado sigue pensandolo... por suerte blizzard actua en consecuencia a la realidad...

Porfavor... no hay que ser tan falsos, si no fuera pq el hunter hace dps... y existe en 4 boses el trankility no habria ni una sola razon para llevarse al hunter de raid para nada.

sip, esk en vaelstraz los rogues a dagas es como decir: enga disfruta un poco hombre xD

pero normalmenet los rogues suelen ser los mayores dps del juego, a no ser k aiga warriors de esos chetazos y tal xd tamy en ten cuenta k si vas hacer aim y tal son 6 sec de cast, mientras todos los de los rogues son instants, eviscerate, slice and dice, backstab, sinister, etc... y un buen rogue con buen ekipo tiene mucho critico, aparte k con el hunter cuando te kedas sin mana solo te keda el autoshot xD

PD: tamy ten en cuenta k kada clase tiene su funcion, la del rogue es hacer dps, la del hunter aparte de hacer dps tienes k hacer mas cosas (no las se), la del priest curar, etc... y si vas visto el ultimo video de Forte, el k se hacen mc en 1h y 10mins veras k se cargan a ragnaros si k sake a los hijos, fijate el dps inhumano k tienen k hacer xd

tamy el dia que un hunter aparezca por deltante en dmg en vael-broodlord-firemaw-ebonroc-flamegor-cromagus y nefarian, es que o murio durante el combate o estaba AFK, por k desde vael en adelante los 4 ,5 o 6 rogues que solemos ir, nunca quedamos por debajo de ellos ni los dagas como yo (21/8/22) ni los combat ni espadas.

Volviendo al tema de la actualizacion, yo creo que realmente podian fomentar otras cosas, ya que algunas builds esta actualizacion no es que les favorezca o no, es que simplemente ni les repercute por que no tocan sus talentos.

Repito a mi por ejemplo con mi build seguire teniendo Cooldblood+Preparation, y si se confirman los cambios me daran Set Up y hemorrague usanco los mismos ptos que hasta ahora en subt, recordemos que para tener set uo a rank 3 necesitas (sino me equivoco 27 o28 ptos ) pues tendria con los ptos actuales que son 22 ese talento al rank 3, y podre disfrutar de hemorrague sin gastar ni un solo ptos en esa rama.
Por eso digo que los cambios van a gusto o a disgusto dependiendo en mayor medida de la build que llevas.

#103 y los chetoswarriors suelen salir tmb en el dmg no? xd y alguno por encima de algun rogue o toods los chetowarriorrsr despues de los rogues? xd xk ahi kada chetowarrior k tmb hace dps inhumano

ashha ¬¬ dale una colleja a Lugia de mi parte y de parte de Dimi xD
van hacer algo en silithus, sera lo k pidio hanussen,hovy y tal,? silithus gulch? xd

Esta es una leaked patch note
http://forums.curse-gaming.com/showthread.php?p=34351#post34351
e leido un poco por encima y leido un nuevo sistema de ganar rage con el warrior si mi ingles no me falla (k sera seguramente eso) vosotors k kreeis k son verdad estos patch notes o son fakes?

tmb e leido k si tas en raid y matas a un civil, el dk no se pondra a toda la raid, si no a la persona k lo aiga matado (ole no pagaremos el plato roto de los demas XD)

World of Warcraft Client Patch
(Disclaimer: These patch notes are for the Public Test Realm and the content of the patch is subject to change.)

World of Warcraft Client Patch 1.12.0 (06-??-??)

--World PvP!

Battle for control of key towers in Eastern Plaguelands to gain an advantage against the ruthless undead, and collect valuable resources for the war effort in the face of fierce resistance in the scorching deserts of Silithus. War rages across Azeroth once more!

--Cross-Realm Battlegrounds!

For the first time in the history of World of Warcraft, you will be able to face off against players from other realms in the Battlegrounds. Cross-realm PvP Battlegrounds will link Alterac Valley, Warsong Gulch, and Arathi Basin so that players from several realms will be combined into one huge matchmaking pool. Replenish your mana, sharpen your blades, and get ready for some brand-new challengers!

--Group Dueling!

Players can now hone their skills in PvP with the new Skirmish option! This option is available to players in a party, and can involve a maximum of five players per side.

--Alternate Itemization

We have re-evaluated itemization for classes outside of their traditional roles in parties and raids. Previously, certain talent builds and playstyles were limited by their available itemization because it was not viable to add a great deal of drops that benefited only one segment of a certain class. In this patch, we have introduced many new items and new sets with stats and bonuses that cater towards alternate playstyles. This new approach towards itemization has also brought about a new focus on the token quest system, a mechanism through which players can obtain loot by turning in tokens or prerequisite items that drop from various encounters. While many such quests have already been implemented in the game, players will find that a greater number of class specific items from this point on will be obtained through this system.

--General

Your Friends List and Ignore List has been expanded to hold 100 players.
Total +spell power from items for each school of magic will be calculated and displayed in the character panel for appropriate classes.
Spell critical chance will now be displayed in addition to melee critical chance in the skills panel.
You can now view health, mana, and attributes when inspecting other players.
The range at which you can inspect other players has been increased.
Players will now receive an error message when trying to use items that restore health/mana/energy/rage when at full health/mana/energy/rage.
Players using dual video card setups will now have their graphic options optimized by default.
The mail system is now much more responsive.
Reputation loss from killing NPCs has been drastically decreased across the board, and applies only to the players responsible, rather than to their entire party or raid.
It is no longer possible for players to take damage that is unreported in the combat log while not in combat.
Player buffs will now reflect talent improvements.
Honor, reputation, and experience will no longer be gained or loss when a pet kills an NPC or player character without aid.
Fixed a bug that caused the sound level to increase when alt-tabbing in and out of the World of Warcraft client.
NPCs that cast spells or used abilities that hit multiple targets will no longer affect stealthed players.
Attempting to link loot that does not exist on the server at that moment will no longer disconnect the player; instead an error message will be reported and the loot will not be linked.
Fixed a bug that would sometimes result in player names being magnified.
Guards now give directions to more locations than before (e.g. reagent vendors, faction leaders, nearest repair NPCs etc.)
It is no longer possible for players who have died in an instance and zoned back in to lose access to loot.
More typos fixed.
You will no longer be erroneously flagged for combat if a critter resists or evades your area of effect spells.

--Macintosh

Fixed a stack overflow error that would occur occasionally while zoning into certain raid instances.
Fixed a graphics issue for users with outdated versions of certain ATI video card drivers.

--Honor System

The percentage of players that may reach ranks 11 through 14 has been increased. Global improvements to the Honor System itself are forthcoming with the release of the World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade expansion.
Dishonorable Kills now apply only to players responsible, rather than to their entire party or raid.
There is now an option that shows estimated honor points over enemy corpses after an Honorable Kill.
Owners of PvP rewards purchased before updates to stats in previous patches will have their items retroactively brought in line with current rewards for this patch. Owners will be able to upgrade their rewards through quests in future updates.
Many PvP rewards have been upgraded with PvP-specific procs, effects, or properties that work only against player characters of the opposite faction.

--Battlegrounds

You will now be placed in a raid upon entering a battleground. Players can apply for leader before the battleground starts, with the position going to the player with the highest Honor rank. In addition, the party leader can issue commands to the raid through the map, such as attacking or defending locations, and promote assistant leaders with similar powers.
The Join as Group function will ensure that players who join as a group will end up in the same battleground instance, but all players will still be placed in the main raid.
Players can now see how many battleground instances are running, but are not able to choose specific instances to join.
Battlegrounds will no longer start until both sides reach full capacity.
You can now leave a battleground from an option on the scoreboard at any time. Doing so before the battleground ends will still give you a Deserter Debuff.
Fixed a bug that caused players to resurrect with less than full health and mana in battlegrounds when wearing items that granted random item attributes.
Capturing resource nodes, towers, and other objectives in battlegrounds will now be sped up when more players of the same faction are in proximity to the objective.
Fixed various terrain issues in Alterac Valley and Warsong Gulch.
A small amount of quest experience is now rewarded for winning a battleground.
It is no longer possible to enter a finished battleground.

--Druids

A Druid Cat Form quest is now available at level 20 from Dendrite Starblaze in Moonglade.
Moonfury (Balance Talent): Now increases the damage done by your arcane and nature spells by 10%. This change allows the talent to be applied after +damage from items has been calculated.
Moonkin (Balance Talent): This form can now cast all Balance and Restoration spells except healing spells. Moonkin aura now increases spell damage by 3% in addition to spell critical hit chance.
Leader of the Pack (Feral Combat Talent): Now increases melee and ranged damage by 3% in addition to melee and ranged critical hit chance.
The damage done by Ferocious Bite and Rip is now modified by your attack power.
Fixed an error where players with the Furor talent were not gaining the extra energy when shifting to cat form.
Threat reduction modifiers such as Blessing of Salvation and Tranquil Air Totem are no longer applied to Cower.
Various spells and abilities should now play their correct sound when used.
Cat Form now has a flat threat reduction modifier.
Fixed an issue with Cat Forms melee attack range.
Soothe Animal is now instant cast.

--Hunters

Natural Armor (Rank 10) and Greater Stamina (Rank 10) are now in their correct positions in the Beast Training UI.
Distracting Shot has a new icon.
Eagle Eye will now function more consistently and last as long as intended.
Fixed several pet animations.

--Mages

Casting Polymorph on a player that is currently immune in PvP now displays the Immune flag over the target, and no longer resets the 15 second diminishing returns cooldown.
Fixed an issue where two consecutive frost or fire spell critical hits could cause Master of Elements to proc only once.
Spending talent points in Arcane Mind will no longer visually fluctuate your mana level.
The damage over time portions of Fireball and Pyroblast are now considered magic debuffs as intended.

--Paladins

Reckoning no longer resets the auto-attack timer.
Holy Light no longer sends two messages to your combat log.
Libram of Divinity will now give the correct healing bonus to Flash of Light.
The added armor from Lay on Hands no longer appears on the character sheet as a permanent armor value.

--Priests

Spirit of Redemption will now work properly with Twisting Nether.
The Power Word: Shield icon will now display properly while in Shadowform.
Mana Burn will no longer disrupt flag captures.

--Rogues

Due to significant talent changes, Rogues will have all talent points refunded and can be respent. Training costs for all talent ability replacements have been significantly reduced.
Adrenaline Cooldown reduced to 5 minutes.
The damage done by Eviscerate, Garrote, and Rupture is now modified by your attack power.
Eviscerate now has a new rank (Rank 9).
Garrote has been increased in damage for all ranks.
Expose Armor will now reduce a targets armor by a percentage per combo point.
Vanish will now remove effects that allow the caster to see through the Rogues stealth (e.g. Hunters Mark, Mind Vision etc...)
Players will now receive the proper error message when attempting to stealth under the effects of Faerie Fire.
Threat reduction modifiers such as Blessing of Salvation and Tranquil Air Totem are no longer applied to Feint.

--Warlocks

Spending talent points in Demonic Emrace will no longer visually fluctuate your health level.
Shadow Mastery now affects Siphon Life.
Fixed an error where Warlocks could have Demonic Sacrifice and a pet active at the same time.
Fixed the tooltip of Rank 2 of Improved Firebolt.

--Shaman

There is now a UI that displays active totems and allows the Shaman to destroy totems.
Fixed several casting animations.
Chain Heal Now bounces to any nearby raid member who needs it regardless of whether it was initially cast on a party member or raid member outside of your party.
Respeccing to the Two-Handed Axes and Maces talent will no longer cause your equipped weapon to break until re-equipped.
Water Walking will now produce the correct sound when walking on water.
Improved Reincarnation is now properly reflected in the tooltip.
The range of Tremor Totem with Totemic Mastery is now properly reflected in the tooltip.

--Warriors

The mechanics of rage generation has been re-evaluated to bring the scaling of Warriors from levels 1-60 and beyond more in line with that of the other classes. Previously, Warriors gained rage from dealing damage based on a formula that took into account damage dealt and character level. Warriors will now generate a flat amount of rage per hit based on a new formula that takes into account the type of weapon (two-handed, mainhand, or offhand) and character level. Warriors from 1-60 should see more reliable rage generation, while Warriors with endgame itemization will see their rage generation brought down to more manageable levels. We have deemed this change necessary to preserve game balance as we move towards the release of World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade and the increased level cap that will arrive with it.
Defensive Stance will no longer protect you from environmental damage.
Fixed an issue where Shield Slam sometimes removed all buffs from a target.
Charge and Intercept should no longer cause disconnects.
Fixed the Death Wish tooltip.

--Items

Epic quest series have been added for all classes with the exception of Hunters and Priests (who already had epic quest series in the game).
Health Regen Every 5 Seconds: Items with this bonus have been fixed so that the health regeneration occurs during combat again (really!).
New unique item effects have been introduced, such as PvP-only bonuses and form specific bonuses (e.g. Druid shapeshift forms, Priest Shadowform, Warrior stances, etc).
Many class specific quest rewards for ZulGurub, Ruins of AhnQiraj, and Temple of AhnQiraj have had their reputation requirements reduced or removed and their quest turn-in prerequisites increased, or vice versa.
Key ring slot sizes have been expanded.
Level 1-39 = 6 slots
Level 40-49 = 12 slots
Level 50-60 = 18 slots
The following keys can now be stored in key rings: Bamboo Cage Key, Benedicts Key, Burnished Gold Key, Crescent Key, Dead-tooths Key, Executioners Key, Kolkar Booty Key, Maurys Key, James Key, Panther Cage Key, Relic Coffer Key, Skeleton Key, all Stratholme postbox keys, Tazans Key, Viewing Room Key, and Wooden Key.
Cured Heavy Hides will now stack properly at 20.
All Tier 1 and Tier 2 Class Armor sets are now Bind on Acquire.
New relics have been added to Molten Core, Blackwing Lair, Ruins of AhnQiraj, and Naxxramas.
Items that grant additional attack power when fighting specific creature types will now function as intended.
The Dartol's Rod of Transformation used in the fourth part of Raene's Cleansing now has a limited number of charges the quest line was meant to be finished . This change will not retroactively affect players who already have the quest item.
Quivers will no longer disappear when acquired by a player with a full inventory.
Players will be relieved to learn that many helm graphics no longer remove hair.
Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker no longer has incorrect textures for some video cards.
The set bonus of Nightslayer Armor that increases the Rogues maximum energy by 10 is now a 3-piece bonus. The 5-piece bonus now reduces the cooldown of Vanish by 40 seconds.
The 3-piece Dragonstalker Armor set bonus no longer persists after pieces are unequipped.
The 3-piece Cenarion Raiment set bonus to damage and duration for Thorns will not persist after pieces are unequipped.
The 5-piece Felheart Raiment set bonus will now always grant the Demonic Ally buff.
The prefix of the spell critical hit bonus of the PvP reward Marshals Silk Leggings is now Equip: rather than Use:
Idol of Brutality is now marked properly as Bind on Equip.
Gyromasts Key will now be removed from your inventory after the quest Gyromasts Revenge has been completed.
Using the Jom Gabbar trinket will no longer trigger a cooldown on other trinkets.
Thick Obsidian Breastplate will now proc properly off spells from all schools of damage.
Strikers Pauldron will now render correctly under different lighting conditions.
Conquerers Helm no longer clips male Gnome models.
Venomous Totem will now report the correct message in the combat log.
Blooddrenched Mask will no longer remove the characters hair.
The tooltip of Burrowers Shell now indicates that it absorbs physical damage.
Sickle of Unyielding Strength will now display correctly on characters.

--Professions

Cooking
Recipes for drinks that restore mana have been added. These recipes will require water from different sources (e.g. Redridge Lake spring water) that can be collected with bottles that are sold from vendors.
Enchanting
Disenchanting now requires Expert Enchanting for rare items, and Artisan Enchanting for items of epic quality or higher.
Engineering
Schematics of Safety first versions of many items have been added, which are less effective than their counterparts but have lower backfire rates.
There is now a schematic for a Portable Repair Bot that can repair one players items.
Engineers can now create leather, mail, and plate versions of Gnomish Rocket Boots and Goblin Rocket Boots.
Leatherworking
Players will now receive a message when learning the Leatherworking recipe for Onyxia Scale Cloak.

--Quests

Quests that increase reputation will now list reputation gain as a quest reward if you have already discovered that faction.
Quest items in several quests are no longer labeled as No Text when opening them.
The Fate of the Kingdom quest is now working as intended.
The Shadows of Doom quest is now properly labeled as an elite quest.
Escort quests will now present a confirmation dialogue before starting if some players have not accepted or are not on the quest.
Dwarves will now spawn properly for the Of Forgotten Memories quest.
Fixed a bug where Shredder Operating Manual pages for the quest The Lost Pages were not able to be combined.
Frost Trap will now properly debuff Solenor the Slayer in Silithus.
Fixed a typo in the Mirages quest.
Resolved an issue that sometimes prevented players from receiving credit for scaring Quixxil in the quest Are We There Yeti?.

--Raids and Dungeons

Token systems have been implemented in Molten Core and Blackwing Lair. Tier 1 and Tier 2 Class Armor sets are now acquired like the Tier 3 sets are through turn-in quests. Bosses that previously dropped the armor have had their loot tables revised. In addition, new items that appeal to a greater variety of playstyles have been added to ALL raid instances as both quest rewards and drops!
Sunken Temple
Fixed a bug where Jammal'an the Prophet would sometimes ignore a mind controlled player if the party wiped.
Blackwing Lair
Chromaggus Brood Afflictions no longer target totems.
Ruins of AhnQiraj
Mobs will no longer come in more than one wave during the General Rajaxx encounter. In addition, it is no longer possible for players in the raid to be erroneously brought out of combat during the encounter.
Scarab Coffer Keys and Greater Scarab Coffer Keys will now drop with greater frequency.
Naxxramas
Fixed a bug where AnubRekhan would sometimes evade all attacks.
It is no longer possible to use Heigan the Uncleans room for wipe recovery.

--User Interface

Meeting stones no longer automatically search for party members. Instead, joining a meeting stone for a dungeon now adds you to an interactive list (sorted by name, level, class, etc) of players looking for a group. Groups can be formed by contacting players through this interface. The meeting stone queues for all dungeons can now be accessed from any meeting stone in the world.
A Guild Calendar has been added to streamline guild management. Upcoming raids and other events can be posted for all guild members to see.
There is now a Remember price option when creating auctions in the Auction House and sending
Cash on Delivery mail.
There is now a Reset search option when searching the Auction House.
Clicking on the background of an equipped bag will bring it to the forefront when browsing the Auction House.
Unique quest items can now be distributed through the Master Looter option.
NPCs that repair now have a Repair equipped items button.
There is now an option to display appropriate quest levels in the quest log.
The Raid Info button now shows the reset times of all raid instances. Instances that the player is not saved to are grayed out.
The /raidinfo command no longer opens the raid info window repeatedly.
Raid icons will no longer disappear after the UI is reloaded with the /console reloadui command.
Fixed an issue where the party interface would sometimes re-appear when Hide Party Interface in Raid option was selected in interface options.
The party leader or raid leader can now set a rule that players can not roll need on class specific items and other loot that they cannot use.
Players should now be able to whisper other players through an option on their portrait.
Players can now drag the status bars of individual players onto the gamefield from the raid UI.
Minimizing the interface to take a screenshot while in stealth will no longer leave the action bar stuck in stealth mode.
"Disable All Addons" will adhere to the character/all selection.
Fixed an error that resulted in incorrect displays when inspecting other players or using the Dressing Rom feature.
You can now bind button actions to special hotkeys on certain keyboards and mice.
SetInventoryItem() now respects the inspect distance limit.
Second variables that do not exist at the time of saving will now be written into the saved variables file as a nil values.
TargetByUnit() no longer works for pets, totems, or players of the opposite faction.
Addons can now send hidden chat messages to players in the party, raid or guild, using
SendAddonMessage("text", "PARTY"|"RAID"|"GUILD"). When players receive these messages, a new event "CHAT_MSG_ADDON" is sent, with arg1 being the text of the message, and arg2 being the name of the player that sent it. The combined length of prefix and message must be less than or equal to 254 bytes.

--World Environment

All civilians that previously assisted guards are either no longer labeled as civilians or no longer assist the guards.
Blink and other short range teleport spells used while in lava no longer cause you to go to the deepest end.
Blue Busters have rectified the problem of vanishing houses.
Garons Hutchins is no longer a vendor.
Fixed an issue with Tonks in the Darkmoon Faire.
Eladriel the Darnassus skinning trainer no longer sells shields.
Fixed several irregularities with final destination flight paths. Flight costs will now remain constant regardless of which other flight paths have been discovered.
The General Supplies vendor Chylina no longer clips through a wall in the inn.
The Horde flightpath from Stonard to Gromgol that paths through a tree has been fixed. The mischievous wyvern has been taken care of - sorry for all the cuts and bruises!

tamy ya q hacemos similar dmg yo quiero pulear a 41 yd, q el vanish realmente me saque de combate (te vuelvo a repetir por enesima vez q no lo hace, si no me crees lo puedes comprobar tu mismo) y tener evasion el 100% del tiempo (tu estas a 41 yd, el dmg magico nos afecta por igual, tenga o no evasion). Tambien te podria decir q quiero mail y tranquility sin el cual no matas NI A CHROMAGGUS (porque no pasas de flamegor), son en 4 bosses pero q si no los petas no petas a los q vienen despues, o sea q son mas de 4 bosses. Si no hicierais dps vuestra utilidad se veria reducida al 10% o asi, si los rogues no hicieran dps, delete class.

Para los q dicen de q los rogues estan por encima TODOS siempre en el dmg meters etc etc eso depende de la guild y de la calidad de los DDs, yo he estado en uaa guild q estaba por encima de todos los q no eran rogues, y ahora estoy en otra q no es asi, porque los otros DDs son mucho mejores, y no soy el unico rogue q queda por debajo (segun q bosses obviamente).

Hablo suponiendo q las builds sean pve puro, si no no sirve de nada.

Y si tamy sueño con un juego parecido al wow pero bien hecho, -.-

#109 puede q hayas matado a patchwerk pero se ve q no tienes ni idea de como va, no es q puedas hacer full dps, es q DEBES hacerlo, como se dice normalmente patchwerk hits like a truck, necesita muchisimas curas y no da el mana de los healers si no se mata suficientemente rapido

y no es q sea diferente a otros bosses en cuanto tema de agro, simplemente tienes tankes q lo hacen bien (en este caso con los hs q mete el tank no tiene problemas de rage , ni los offtanks)

este es el gran problema del wow, gente q juega con el boton 1, le das al frostbolt/aimed/shadowbolt repetidas veces y el boss cae, q facil!!!!

#110 Y tu problema, es que no haces mas que meterte con la gente de la cual no tienes ni puta idea, haciendote el prepotente en los foros, que debe ser el único sitio donde puedes hacerlo. A lo mejor eres tú el que deberías de saber como van las cosas antes de hablar y sobre todo antes de descalificar al resto:

Patchwerk ataca permanentemente al primer target con el que pilla aggro. NADIE puede pillar aggro a no ser que el MT o el primero que pillo aggro MUERA. Y si muere el MT o uno de los MTs, el aggro pasa al siguiente MT. POR ESO TODA LA RAID puede hacer FULL DPS sin miedo a aggrear.
Al margen de eso tiene un ataque especial llamado Hateful Strike el cual, va lanzando aleatoriamente a la persona que más HPs tiene a su lado.
Obviamente si mueren todos los MTs, luego va a por los rogues y finalmente a por el resto, pero eso ya sería o el momento del kiteo del último 5% o el WIPE.

PD: Ahora dime que no es diferente en el tema del aggro... listo del parchis

Salu2,

#112 yo no he hablado d patchwerk, no diras #110? xd

#113 el warrior tiene 3 ramas d talento, 1 orientada a defensa y 2 a ataque (y blizz no hace al war mas tanke, lo nerfea en PvP xq es muy salvaje en el grp vs grp en PvE mantiene el mismo daño ya q no depende del enrage como en PvP xq no come dmg), y xq blizz pone a los wars la opcion d ir a daño? muy simple, primero xq es uno d los rols del warrior y segundo xq el 90% de los eventos se basan en 1 unico tanke protection + 1 backup, el resto d warriors no se van a kedar mirando y teniendo la sensacion d q su clase es totalmente inutil como comprenderas. Por lo tanto en una raid en lugar d meter a 2 warriors y 8 rogues podras meter a 5 warriors y 5 rogues.

#115 no xD q la gente se de cuenta d q el WoW es un juego en modo cooperativo y no single player xd El war seguira siendo un toro en grupo pvp... en alianza, blessing of freedom y a disfrutar del espectaculo mientras lanza howls, cleaves y WWs a diestro y siniestro y los demas le asisten xD

#112 iba a responderte algo mas detallado de como funciona patchwerk pero vamos, dado q mi guild hace todo por ensayo y error y hemos errado ya mucho, te puedo decir como detalle q el HS lo hace a 4 y solo 4 targets q son los q estan mas cerca cuando entran en combate con el

si fuera aleatorio como te inventas tu, porq el resto de melees no reciben daño? rogues etc? preguntale a los healers de tu guild, q si lo habeis matado ellos deben saberlo :>

Si y ahi también pone otra cosa que se ve que me he inventado:
"Patchwork is unique in many aspects, in that he will keep attacking the first target to aggro him, until that target is dead"
"This also means, the raid is unable to get aggro from Patchwork aslong as the tank is alive"

Y como también pone ahí:
"At the start of the fight, the 3 closest people to Patchwerk other than the main tank get primed for hateful strikes. If a primed tank dies, it is unclear as to how another person gets re-primed.
Hateful Strike hits the person in range that is primed with the most HP."

Por eso obviamente, va primero a por los MT, ya que son los que más HPs tienen y cuando estos mueren va a por los rogues. Cuando llegas al 5% por lo general Warriors y Rogues han muerto y el DPS lo tiene que hacer el resto de las clases "quiteando" dicho 5%.

Vamos todo inventadísimo, respecto a lo que dije en mi primer post.

Salu2,